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	<title>Comments on: Electric Scooters and their Warnings: A Guest Post by Kim Wolfinbarger</title>
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		<title>By: Kim Wolfinbarger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim Wolfinbarger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 18:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another update: After I wrote the original post, I asked several checkers at our local store about the policy. I was told that customers are not allowed to take the carts past the yellow barrier just outside the door. But policy does not always lead to practice. This week a clerk told the customer in front of me that she was welcome to take her cart outside as long as she brought it back. The woman was shopping with her husband, and they had two buggies&#039; worth of groceries. I cautioned the customer against it, explaining that the cart could tip over. The clerk then asked, rather meekly, if she would like some assistance. The couple declined, the clerk let the matter drop, and the husband made two trips to the car while the wife waited.

I assume that the clerk was unaware of the stability problems associated with motorized carts. She apparently thought that the policy against driving carts outside was intended solely to keep carts from being left outside. I wonder if employees have been warned of the tipping danger, or if they have only been told that carts must be returned to the store.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another update: After I wrote the original post, I asked several checkers at our local store about the policy. I was told that customers are not allowed to take the carts past the yellow barrier just outside the door. But policy does not always lead to practice. This week a clerk told the customer in front of me that she was welcome to take her cart outside as long as she brought it back. The woman was shopping with her husband, and they had two buggies&#8217; worth of groceries. I cautioned the customer against it, explaining that the cart could tip over. The clerk then asked, rather meekly, if she would like some assistance. The couple declined, the clerk let the matter drop, and the husband made two trips to the car while the wife waited.</p>
<p>I assume that the clerk was unaware of the stability problems associated with motorized carts. She apparently thought that the policy against driving carts outside was intended solely to keep carts from being left outside. I wonder if employees have been warned of the tipping danger, or if they have only been told that carts must be returned to the store.</p>
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		<title>By: DSS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DSS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 00:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have another complaint about these electric carts.  I was shopping this evening and observed a store employee giving a woman a cart to drive.  I watched the woman driving the cart around a store display several times, I thought maybe she was looking for something.  I turned my back to get something from a counter when all of a sudden she ran into me and pinned me against the counter.  I couldn&#039;t move until she figured out how to put in into reverse and back off of me.  When I turned around she said &quot;I&#039;m sorry, I don&#039;t know how to drive this thing&quot;.  She got off the cart and walked away.  I proceeded to find the assistant manager and he filled out an incident report but refused to give me a copy.  He did give me his name and the store manager&#039;s card but still refused to give me a copy of the incident report.
I left the store but realized I was injured and had pain in my back &amp; left hip.  I went back into the store and asked to see the manager.  He too refused to give me a copy saying that they would keep it.  I said that was fine but I needed documentation that this occurred.  After telling him that maybe I should call my attorney to get a copy he decided to give me a copy.  He told me to see my doctor and agreed they would cover that and also said their insurance company would be contacting me.
My question is who is liable for showing people how to drive these carts?  I asked the manager and he said &quot;we don&#039;t have driving lessons for them&quot;.  If that&#039;s the case then anyone can go into a store and say they are disabled and can get a cart to drive.  I don&#039;t understand how they can allow anyone to take one of these carts.   The store was very busy and other people could also be hurt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have another complaint about these electric carts.  I was shopping this evening and observed a store employee giving a woman a cart to drive.  I watched the woman driving the cart around a store display several times, I thought maybe she was looking for something.  I turned my back to get something from a counter when all of a sudden she ran into me and pinned me against the counter.  I couldn&#8217;t move until she figured out how to put in into reverse and back off of me.  When I turned around she said &#8220;I&#8217;m sorry, I don&#8217;t know how to drive this thing&#8221;.  She got off the cart and walked away.  I proceeded to find the assistant manager and he filled out an incident report but refused to give me a copy.  He did give me his name and the store manager&#8217;s card but still refused to give me a copy of the incident report.<br />
I left the store but realized I was injured and had pain in my back &amp; left hip.  I went back into the store and asked to see the manager.  He too refused to give me a copy saying that they would keep it.  I said that was fine but I needed documentation that this occurred.  After telling him that maybe I should call my attorney to get a copy he decided to give me a copy.  He told me to see my doctor and agreed they would cover that and also said their insurance company would be contacting me.<br />
My question is who is liable for showing people how to drive these carts?  I asked the manager and he said &#8220;we don&#8217;t have driving lessons for them&#8221;.  If that&#8217;s the case then anyone can go into a store and say they are disabled and can get a cart to drive.  I don&#8217;t understand how they can allow anyone to take one of these carts.   The store was very busy and other people could also be hurt.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne McLaughlin</title>
		<link>http://humanfactorsblog.org/2009/06/16/electric-scooters-and-their-warnings-a-guest-post-by-kim-wolfinbarger/comment-page-1/#comment-2602</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne McLaughlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 15:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To wake this topic back up... I saw a woman run the grocery scooter off the curb last night at a Kroger store in Atlanta. It took two large security guards to get it back up and off the curb edge, while the woman tried to stay standing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To wake this topic back up&#8230; I saw a woman run the grocery scooter off the curb last night at a Kroger store in Atlanta. It took two large security guards to get it back up and off the curb edge, while the woman tried to stay standing.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Wirtanen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Wirtanen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Kim for the guest post.

It&#039;s amazing that employees load groceries into the electric carts! I wonder how frequent accidents happen outside.... I like Alex&#039;s idea of disabling the cart (it could also beep or trigger the reading of a warning message) and I also like the idea of providing a better warning--why isn&#039;t there a visual of a cart tipping over? That would convince me from using an electric cart outside.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Kim for the guest post.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s amazing that employees load groceries into the electric carts! I wonder how frequent accidents happen outside&#8230;. I like Alex&#8217;s idea of disabling the cart (it could also beep or trigger the reading of a warning message) and I also like the idea of providing a better warning&#8211;why isn&#8217;t there a visual of a cart tipping over? That would convince me from using an electric cart outside.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 15:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is really interesting.  The only other alternative I could think of was having a disabling device retrofitted to the electric carts.  So when the cart moved passed a specific point, the power would be cut or reduced to the point that the cart barely moved.  I think that would force the users to receive assistance.  However, the store would still need a protocol that called for employees to offer assistance first, and explain the carts no longer work outside.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is really interesting.  The only other alternative I could think of was having a disabling device retrofitted to the electric carts.  So when the cart moved passed a specific point, the power would be cut or reduced to the point that the cart barely moved.  I think that would force the users to receive assistance.  However, the store would still need a protocol that called for employees to offer assistance first, and explain the carts no longer work outside.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim Wolfinbarger</title>
		<link>http://humanfactorsblog.org/2009/06/16/electric-scooters-and-their-warnings-a-guest-post-by-kim-wolfinbarger/comment-page-1/#comment-2041</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim Wolfinbarger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Electric Scooters and their Warnings: A Guest Post by Kim Wolfinbarger http://humanfactorsblog.org/?p=869 (via @hfblog)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Electric Scooters and their Warnings: A Guest Post by Kim Wolfinbarger <a href="http://humanfactorsblog.org/?p=869" >http://humanfactorsblog.org/?p=869</a> (via @hfblog)</span></span></span></p>
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